Sixth Level of Learning, Paper #10: Where Souls and Spirit Go After Death

by Wes Penre, June 4, 2020

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[Considering all the insanity taking place around the world and beyond right now, we feel an urgency to complete this article series as soon as we can, so as many people as possible get a chance to wake up. Thus, we will post them as soon as we have them ready, even in cases where we just recently posted a previous one…]

I. Setup of the Soul Centers

Readers have asked us what happens when we die—particularly lately, taking the Gnostic texts into consideration. What options do we have? Where are we going, and is the Grid we have discussed so many times still a valid exit route out of the Matrix?

In Paper #9, we discussed the model of the Kenoma—how it’s structured and how it relates to the Spirit Realm, aka the Pleroma. Hopefully, that gave the reader a better picture of how our universe looks like. With that model in mind, we are now going to explain what the Gnostic texts say about where different souls/Spirits go after they depart from their physical bodies.

The Christ, who descended into the lower realms (Sophia’s Creation), was a compilation of the characteristics of the twelve Aeons in the Pleroma, simply put. Before Christ descended, Sophia prepared to make room for the characteristics of particularly three Aeons, who had parts of them descending to contribute with their Light and Power in separate Heavens of the Kenoma. The “sacrifice” they had to make was that parts of them—the parts they sent to the Kenoma—entered the realms of forgetfulness. Thus, they could no longer remember their Fullness.

And they were made to drink water of forgetfulness by the Chief Ruler so that they would not know themselves (and would not know) where they had come from.

The Secret Book of John

One Aeon descended an aspect of itself to the Ninth Heaven, where those who take on soul bodies dwell.

The Holy Souls’ Realm is the Eighth Heaven that separates the waters of the Eighth and Ninth Heavens from the waters below, being everything from the Abyss up to the Seventh Heaven. The Eighth Heaven includes those who took on soul bodies, too. A second Aeon descended into this Heaven.[1] Those in the Ninth Heaven are those who reincarnate as teachers into the lower realms of the Kenoma, including Earth. These Spirits, via their souls, have received Gnosis, lived in Spirit on Earth (as enlightened humans), and are now ready to teach what they have learned. It does not mean that they must be a new Jesus or world-famous avatar or teacher; those who have reached this level know what they need to do and want to do when that time comes when they need to decide. Some come back here to altruistically give to humanity—they complete their mission and then return to the Pleroma. The souls/bodies (who were called Avatars in the Wes Penre Papers) dwell both in the Ninth, Eighth, and the Fifth Heaven (Mars)—that’s where our Original Souls (not the artificial soul/spirit) reside. We will talk more about this under the “What is Baptism” section below. As we know, our Original, Genuine Soul is not of the 3-D physical realm. In fact, it’s a loan from the Pleroma and dwells in any of these three Heavens that I just mentioned. Each of our souls, at the time of Christ entering the Kenoma, were placed in the Heaven where they belonged at that particular time, depending on their actions and development. Our souls can ascend and descend, respectively, between these Heavens, according to our behavior and grade of ignorance or awakening.  

Another Aeon contributed its characteristics to the lower Heavens (the First to Seven Heavens). Earlier, the term Overseers were mentioned. These correspond well to these Aeon descensions, overseeing these three Heavens of the Kenoma: Sophia’s entire Creation.

II. What is Baptism?

In the Gnostic texts, the human “trinity” consists of Spirit (the Immortal), soul (psyche or fire), and body/flesh (represented by water, i.e. the part of Spirit that is ignorant). In the Bible, baptism by water is represented by John the Baptist, who allegedly baptized Jesus by water.

Just like there are three main parts of a human—Spirit, fire, and water, there are also three different baptisms, directly corresponding with these three parts,

Likewise three baptisms exist: the first is spiritual, the second is by fire, the third is by water.

On the Origin of the World

In order for us to go back to the Pleroma, we need to go through all three baptisms. However, before a human can get any baptism at all, they first need to wake up to the conviction that they are more than just a body of flesh with no afterlife. If they don’t, they go directly to the Archons’ recycling center and will be recycled immediately into a new earthly incarnation—they have no say in the matter.

I [the apostle John] said, “Lord, then where will the souls be who do not know to whom their souls belong?”

He [Jesus] said to me, “In those, the despicable spirit [artificial spirit, created by Yaldabaoth] has proliferated by leading them astray. He burdens the soul and draws it into works of wickedness, and he casts it down into forgetfulness. After it comes forth, they hand it over to the authorities who came into being through the Ruler. And they bind it in chains and cast it into prison [Earth]. And they consort with it until it awakens from forgetfulness and receives knowledge. And in this way, it is perfected and saved.”

The Secret Book of John (long version)

The first baptism is baptism by water. We will not literally have water poured over our heads—that’s just symbolically speaking. Baptism is simply the three phases the human soul (the intermediary between flesh and Spirit) goes through in her awakening process. Being baptized in water means that a person, during a certain lifetime gets an inkling that there might be something more to him or her than just being a body and that they may have a soul. However, it remains just an abstract thought, or they show no particular interest in expanding on the matter. These souls will be baptized in water. After death, such a soul goes to some location in the Seven Heavens, where one of the Aeons, Eleleth, is the Overseer. According to what I have learned over the years, this recycling center is probably located on Mars—not the Mars we see in the night-sky, which is just a reflection of Mars located in the Fifth Heaven. Mars is the Fifth Heaven, but not just as a planet—Mars is a realm (see the now familiar diagram below and our Gnosis 9 article to learn more about the Heavens).

Mars, I would suggest, is the afterlife realm the late Dr. Michael Newton wrote about in his books[2]; the realm where souls mingle and “rest” before they decide to reincarnate again. These souls are still fairly ignorant about that they are Spiritual in nature, so they, too, go back to a new incarnation on Earth until they wake up in Spirit, but they don’t need to go through the trauma in the Archon’s recycling Center.

When a person on Earth is convinced that they do have a soul, they go to the Eighth Heaven (Orion) to get baptized by fire (soul). Once there, they have a choice whether they want to stay in the Eighth Heaven or go back to Earth until they receive Gnosis.

I said, “Lord, then when the souls of those leave their flesh, where will they go?”

He laughed and said to me, “The soul in which the power will become stronger than the despicable spirit [artificial spirit/reactive mind]— for this one (the soul) is powerful and it flees from evil— it will be saved by the visitation of the Incorruptible [Christ] and it will be admitted into the repose of the aeons.

The Secret Book of John (long version)

When a person receives Gnosis and understands that they are a Spiritual being and opens to Spirit inside, from having been living many lifetimes in ignorance, they go to the Ninth Heaven, where they are baptized in Spirit. Here, the soul will be “judged,” which in this case does not have any negative negation to it. The meme, “the heart must weigh lighter than a feather” probably comes from this “procedure.” I believe this means that it needs to be determined whether the soul has gotten rid of all their earthly attachments and has broken the cycle of “good and evil.” In other words, if they have elevated themselves above ignorance, they can either stay in the Ninth Heaven or go back to Earth one more time to become a teacher and enlighten others to the best of their ability. When that has been completed and they die, the Spirit can go back to the Pleroma—mission accomplished (I called it Graduation in the previous levels of learning).

I [John] said to the Savior, “Lord, will all the souls be delivered into the pure light”?   

… [Jesus replied]: Those upon whom the Spirit of the Life [Christ] will descend and (with whom) it will be powerfully present, they will be saved and will become perfect. And they will become worthy of the great realms [Pleroma]. And they will be purified in that place from all evil and the concerns of wickedness.[2]

The Secret Book of John (long version)

We don’t choose where to go after death—it all depends on our spiritual development or lack thereof. We can’t “wish” ourselves to a certain Heaven—we go where we are ready to go at the moment of body death. It’s based on our actions in this realm and our level of compassion. For example, a person who commits crimes and treats other people badly still lives in ignorance and can’t enter the Eighth or Ninth Heavens until they change their ways and are ready to open up to Spirit. None of this has to do with judgment—it’s about vibration and awakening—metaphorically speaking, you can’t go through walls until you’ve shed your body or have an Out of Body experience.

The awakened human soul is searching and searching for Truth, and the more we find, the more we change inside. On a gradient, we stop being destructive toward ourselves and others because we know that being destructive comes from Ignorance. The more Spirit we wake up to, the more compassionate we become. We start operating more and more from Spirit and let it guide us in our daily lives. This is how we “advance,” until we eventually are ready to reenter the Pleroma. In earlier papers, I discussed that we are already evolved and don’t need to evolve. What this means is that we are already perfect in Spirit—we just need to let our core Self wake up and start operating through us.

What happens to those who, to a lesser degree, do wake up to Spirit but do not start living by it or remain loyal to this Earth construct, which means loyalty to Yaldabaoth and his Archons? Here are two excerpts that answer the question:

And I said, “Lord, what about those who understood and yet turned away? Where will their souls go?”

Then he said to me, “They will be admitted into that place where the angels of poverty go [the Archons], the place where repentance [awakening] does not occur. And they will guard them until that day when those who have blasphemed against the Spirit will be tortured[4]. And they will be punished with an eternal punishment.”[5]

The Secret Book of John (long version)

This is, from my understanding, those who have chosen sides, regardless of them knowing better. They are too much under the influence of the artificial spirit of Yaldabaoth’s. They will descend to the lowest level of the Abyss (Hell) together with the Archons, respectively. This might pertain particularly to those who, in the End Times, choose to remains of Yaldabaoth’s side in a potential “Battle of Armageddon.”


I said to him, “Lord, will the souls of those upon whom the power of the Spirit of Life descended but who did not do these works be e[xcluded]?”

He repli[ed, s]aying to me, “If [the] Spirit descends [up]on them, they will be saved in any case, and they will migrate. For the power will descend upon every human being—for without it, no one is able to stand upright. After they are born, then if the Spirit of Life increases and the power comes to strengthen that soul, it is not possible to lead it astray into the works of wickedness. But those upon whom the counterfeit spirit [artificial soul] descends are drawn by it and they are led astray.”

The Secret Book of John (long version)

Once we leave the Kenoma and enter the Pleroma, we will also shed the Genuine Soul, and we will return as pure Spirit. There, we will become true Creator Gods, and we can create worlds, realms, or whatever we want to create with our intentions, imagination, and with our thoughts.

III. What About the Grid?

The information we have been giving you about the Grid and how to exit it is still valid (see Paper #9 in our series). The Grid is taking us out of the lower realms (the Underworld) and into the Seven Heavens of the Archons. So basically, all we really need to do is to go through the Grid, so we can leave the Matrix we are currently residing in, and Spirit/soul will go where they are ready to go. If, for some reason, you will not see a Grid, no need for concern. There is a chance that when we wake up to Spirit, we just “automatically” go where we are supposed to go. If anything is unclear at that point, a good idea might be to think to yourself, “I am going to the absolute highest aspect of me possible,” or something to that effect. That intention should certainly take you to the right place. I am only mentioning this to ease any anxiety over this—personally, I am convinced we go exactly where we are eligible to go.

Humans, who have received Gnosis, will be able to eventually go back to the Pleroma. The reason Sophia can’t retrieve all Spirit yet from the Kenoma is because Yaldabaoth needs to wake up first so that Sophia can retrieve Yaldabaoth’s Spirit because it belongs to her. Yaldabaoth does inhabit Spirit, albeit covered in layers of Ignorance. Humans, who have received Gnosis, are no longer in Ignorance and are therefore whole enough to be capable of returning to the Pleroma. All we humans can do is doing our best to complete our part of the mission to help dissolve Yaldabaoth’s creation. As mentioned, we do that by waking up to our Inner Spirit and shine that light through the darkness of this construct.

Many people have asked, so I will try to explain a little further. Not everybody who go to Orion after this lifetime will return to Earth to become teachers. Just like we humans in this construct have different characteristics (personalities), so do Spirit and the Genuine soul. If it’s your destiny to come back and teach, you will be more than happy to do so. If not, you will not come back to Earth. Once in Orion, you will know what to do or not to do. No one will judge you either way because you’re only following your personal Destiny.

Most souls/Spirits will stay in Orion, and a few will come back to teach. The only “benefit” with coming back to teach is that when this last lifetime of teaching is over, the Spirit will go to the Ninth Heaven, shed their Genuine Soul and return right away to Pleroma. Those who don’t go back to teach because it’s not their Destiny to do so, will stay in Orion until after Christ’s Return, when the entire Kenoma will be lit up by the Light of Christ, the last battle between Spirit and Matter will be fought, and Yaldabaoth will be redeemed. Then, the Archons will perish, Yaldabaoth in his material form will perish, and so will everything that was created from Ignorance/darkness, and all Spirit will be withdrawn and go to the Pleroma, of course including those who waited in Orion. When everything is lit up, darkness/ignorance has nowhere to hide, and everything will be revealed (Apocalypse). Ignorance has no other option than to perish, but Ignorance will fight until its last breath because Yaldabaoth was given the rulership over the Kenoma from the beginning, so that’s the program he’s running on (think artificial intelligence).

I am also quite sure that those who wait in Orion can also join Christ on his last mission and come down here once again—this time not in a physical body, but as Spirit/Genuine Soul if they wish to, in order to help Christ on his last mission. Still, they will not be forced to. No one will judge those who won’t go back. Sophia, Christ, and the entire Pleroma are aware of each Spirit’s Destiny, so it will just be a natural thing. But once in Orion, you will know what your Destiny is, and you will act accordingly without hesitation.

What does it entail to stay in Orion? Interesting enough, nothing has changed from what I wrote in the Wes Penre Papers. The mistake I made when I wrote them was that I combined Orion and the Pleroma into one, not realizing, at that time that there is a Pleroma. Going to Orion means you will become a Creator God in a peaceful and balanced environment, in which both Zoë Sophia and Jesus Christ (Khan En.lil) reside. Thus, in Orion, Spirit is balanced. Most Spirited humans will probably stay there until it’s time for everyone to go home to the Pleroma.

We hope this revision will make things a little clearer.

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[1] From The Secret Book of John, verse 9.

[2] Dr. Newton’s books can be found at We personally recommend “Destiny of Souls,” also reviewed in The Wes Penre Papers, First Level of Learning, Paper 6.

[3] The soul will be shed before leaving the Ninth Heaven. Only Pure Spirit can enter the Pleroma.

[4] Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is not only saying Spirit does not exist but also when trying to put back ignorance into those whose Spirit is awakening.

[5] This is for those who know better but still choose to side with Yaldabaoth and the Archons. They are basically punishing themselves.

References and Resources:

The Secret Book of John (long version)

On the Origin of Man

The Wes Penre Papers

2 thoughts on “Sixth Level of Learning, Paper #10: Where Souls and Spirit Go After Death

  1. So, sometimes processing this amazing information is like completing a rubix cube OR like doing complex math equations. I was doing the math on previous information and this question came up: If there is no Energy/Matter in the Pleroma, does that mean there is no energy/matter in Spirit? Is that why we eventually discard our soul upon reaching the Pleroma? And if soul’s consort is spirit (that is my understanding of what I’ve read so far), the masculine component and when we, our souls are reunited with Spirit we have achieved knowledge through our desire to be whole again? It seems that accepting Spirit really is the ultimate form of detaching ourselves from the Kleroma. The saying that (after death) “You can’t take it with you.” is absolute. Do we lose our individuality upon re-entering the Pleroma?

    Thank you both for this liberating information. I think that it takes some time to dissolve the knowledge(?) that the cause of everything we know is Ignorance. I also think that once we can fully accept that, perhaps receiving Spirit becomes…simple? Does our Ignorance fill/block the “space” in soul for Spirit? I have studied a great deal of the Esoteric in my lifetime and though some of the exploration would be like a cracking open my shell a little more to let a bit more light in – since that is all I knew, I thought it a great deal of light. But, once I had digested that new level of “light” I realized the new “something” wasn’t complete. I can see how those previous “somethings” were stepping stones to help accept more “advanced” somethings? My stream of consciousness is happening so fast now I can’t type it fast enough.

    It is interesting that Pentecostal Christianity focuses almost exclusively upon embracing and inviting the Holy Spirit in, pretty much by any means possible. And from the outside looking in – those humans look “crazy”, but now I think I get it. They are trying a form of Gnosis in order to get back to Yaldabaoth or maybe summon the First Archon. Imagine what they might do if they understood the Ignorance part? It is so easy, we are so well programed to reject “different” so that we may be lifelong prisoners of “normal”. All this processing helps me feel and sense the completeness of Ignorance in this body, in this life, in this construct.

    Thank you so much for this amazing gift you have given to the entire world. I am grateful to have found you.

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    • Yep, no energy/matter in Spirit, and that’s why the soul can’t enter the Pleroma–it just wouldn’t work.

      “And if soul’s consort is spirit (that is my understanding of what I’ve read so far), the masculine component and when we, our souls are reunited with Spirit we have achieved knowledge through our desire to be whole again? It seems that accepting Spirit really is the ultimate form of detaching ourselves from the Kleroma. The saying that (after death) “You can’t take it with you.” is absolute. Do we lose our individuality upon re-entering the Pleroma?”

      Yes, the soul is the vehicle with which we search for the Spirit within (our so-called Over”soul”). We actually search for Spirit so we can find ourselves again. Everything that has to do with soul is of the Construct/Kenoma. By achieving Gnosis from absorbing the Gnostic texts (GT), we open up the almost closed “channel” between the more or less hidden feminine aspect of Spirit and the masculine par, which is Christ, and we become whole. Sophia became whole when Christ came to be in the Pleroma, but in order to uncreate her deficient Creation (matter), she needs to withdraw Spirit from the Kenoma, which is both us and Yaldabaoth’s sleeping Spirit. We do lose our personal identity (Bruce, for example) by entering the Pleroma because Bruce is just a Kenoma experience through x number of incarnation. All Spirited Souls ARE Sophia. If Sophia is a Sun (allegory) and each individual human is a sunbeam from Sophia the Sun, she will retrieve all Spirit from each of us, and we all become Sophia because we are Her. Bruce becomes a memory inside Sophia.

      ” Does our Ignorance fill/block the “space” in soul for Spirit? ”

      Yes. After each global catastrophe (see the article “The Consummation of the Age” when you get to that), we sink a little deeper into matter. Now we’ve reached the Underworld, which is the bottom of the cosmic ocean. Now, Yaldabaoth can’t hide anymore, so he desperately tries to create the Singularity, so he can gather all Spirited souls, foremost, in an attempt attack on Orion (8th and 9th Realm). He knows that if we succeed in our mission to spread light enough for Christ to return, it’s over for Yald and his archons. He has nowhere to run, except into the VOID, but he can’t escape there, either. Because we are so deep into matter–it’s like wet cement–it’s a huge achievement to break ANY programming whatsoever. But Spirit is strong, and we do wake up, regardless of the seemingly impossible task. Look at 2020…how fast the EL-ite is moving. They are desperate, and they don’t care if people see through their agenda or not. They know they don’t have much time before the last cataclysm…

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